Tuesday, September 23, 2008

Keeper Analysis #8 - Operation Must Not Fail

Here's my latest analysis. For reference review the previous analysis and also the round cost.

Rule # 1: Never keep a first rounder. This eliminates Alfonso Soriano (1) and Jake Peavy (1).

Rule #2: Never keep a catcher. This eliminates B. Inge (16) and R. Hernandez (16).

Rule #3: Never keep a closer above round 5. This doesn't eliminate anyone.

Rule #4: Never keep a player whose role is not well defined and with regular playing time. This eliminates Stewart (16), Barmes (16), Span (16), and Wheeler (16).

Rule #5: Never keep a player who is a declining veteran. This eliminates Dye (6), Ibanez (9), and Hoffman (8).

That leaves us with:

Hitters:

Atkins (2),
Adam LaRoche (16),
Uggla (4),
Alexei Ramirez (16)
Ankiel (7),

Pitchers:

Cliff Lee (16)
Saunders (16)
Galaragga (16)
Volstad (16)
Eveland (16)
Carmona (13)
Shields (6)
Marquis (16)
Dempster (16)
Wood (16)

I set up another spreadsheet to follow along easier.For the hitters, I think we can all agree that of the group we should eliminate Atkins (2) and Adam LaRoche (16). So now we should discuss Uggla, Alexei Ramirez, and Ankiel. Based on wOBA+ alone, I think we can eliminate Ramirez (16).

So we have Uggla (4) versus Ankiel (7). While Uggla has a improving P/PA and HR/BIA he's not really improving his plate discipline. This is where Ankiel has the advantage. Ankiel is already producing similar power numbers but he's improving his plate discipline as measured by TkB% and TKS%. Also Ankiel is improving both his FB% and LD% unlike Uggla who's decreasing his LD%. So what we see with Uggla is when he hits the ball, he hits a HR. Ankiel appears to actually be a more complete hitter at this time and that's why I'm keeping Ankiel at 7. If I had Uggla in a similar round, I'd give him more thought but I feel that when you draft a hitter in the 4th round he needs to be more of a complete hitter.

We have a lot of pitchers on that list. I think out of the list we can eliminate Marquis, Dempster, Galarraga, Volstad, and Eveland right away. I know that Dempster has had an amazing season but he has come out of nowhere and I have concerns about his workload. So that leaves us with:

Cliff Lee (16)
Saunders (16)
Carmona (13)
Shields (6)
Wood (16)

I think we should eliminate Shields because you can probably redraft him there next year in round 6. That leaves us with:

Cliff Lee (16)
Saunders (16)
Carmona (13)
Wood (16)

I don't really like anything at first glance that says that I need to take him. Wood at 16 with all of the potential saves is very interesting but given his injury history and the fact that you can easily find saves each year late, I'm eliminating Wood (16).

Saunders BABIP is a little below .270 which is slightly low, everyone else's is in the normal range. One of the things I really look for is the GB% and the HR/BIA. Carmona is much better at this than either of them and that looks like he's got a leg up. Saunders K% has decreased each of the last couple years while his walk rate remained the same roughly so I'll eliminate Saunders (16)

Cliff Lee versus Carmona. Honestly it shouldn't have even come to this. The owner should have traded Lee during the height of his streak or at least immediately afterwards and be able to get a great younger keeper. Instead you have polar opposites to choose from. Do you keep Lee who easily could have just had his career year or do you choose Carmona who seemed to have stumbled a bit since the end of the year.

I would choose Carmona (13). Lee's meteoric rise from last year to this year is too suspicious to me and he's easily going to be regressing next year. Many people may easily think about this so you may be able to pick him up around round 10 if you feel really good about him next year. Carmona though has better GB%, LD%, FB%, and BABIP. I think he'll be much better physically next year which should only help his numbers more.

Summary: Ankiel (7) and Carmona (13)

5 comments:

Lee Perrault said...

To be fair, this owner did try and move Lee the entire year. No one bit.

Unknown said...

I have to disagree on both. Carmona is horrible and had so much luck in 2007. Lee is not a sub 3.00 ERA pitcher, but he is a mid 3 and more than worth the 16th round.

I also would take a 20/10 at 2B in the 16th round over Ankiel. You eliminated Ramirez on wOBP+, but he is truely not that much off from Ankiel in OBP. In more games next year as a starter Ramirez could go 25/20.

I would keep Lee and Ramirez in the 15th and 16th round.

Corey Dawkins said...

Looking it over I really I made a dumb mistake about Ramirez. I was looking at the wrong column when comparing him to others. At round 16 he is a definite keeper and although he may not get you 30 HR next year like Ankiel he should get you at least 20HR. Having this kind of production out of anyone in round 16 is what is the goal, especially out of the second basemen. If you didn't voice your opinion, I wouldn't have caught it.

Pitching though I'm standing strong. This is Lee's age 29 season while Carmona's age 24. Lee is much more "known" than Carmona and therefore we can't trust that he'll be a good pitcher next year. Lee prior to this year has never gotten his ERA under 3.79 and has only gotten it under 4.40 once and that was in 2005.

He got progressively worse in his age 26, 27, and 28 year seasons and obviously and amazingly having one of the best pitcher seasons in the last couple of years. Lee's GB% all of a sudden shot up over 11% from the last couple of years and is over 5% more than his previous career high in 2003.

Baseball Prospectus seems to think his ERA is going to be in the mid to high 4's next year with his WHIP back up to mid 1.4s BP thinks that Carmona will have ERA in the high 3's and maybe low 4's.

When the numbers don't make a clear cut decision and I have to trust my gut feeling I always like to base it off of Baseball Prospectus because they are right more often then not.

I might end up being wrong but the risk for me is worth the 3 rounds. Good call on Alexei tough.

Unknown said...

Don't forget BP's projection come out each spring and have not been updated for this years results.

Lee had a crappy 2007 and Carmona had a great 2007. Their innings and stats are based on that. My guess is when these are added in Lee's numbers in BP improve.

Lee has a better K/BB for his first 7 years then Greg Maddux as far as control pitchers go. Once the HR/FB returns to normal he will be a mid 3 ERA pitcher.

Carmona still has talent and could be a very good pitcher, but his GB% cannot make up for a K/BB under 2.50. He needs to get over that number to be effective.

Corey Dawkins said...

Some more good points. I'm going to review the picks once spring training come closer and re-post any changes if needed. I will reanalyze everything because as you said PECOTA and others don't change on the fly (wouldn't it be awesome if they did).

So I encourage all the readers to pay attention throughout the winter.